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I seem to have been scooting around the country quite a bit already this year, and although it's nice to get up north or into the countryside (and even better when you can do both), there's still something magical about London that you don't find in places like the Peak District (where I was last weekend).

This city is like one big vat of cultural soup. You've got all different ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, hair colours, shoe sizes, etc, etc all in one place, and other than a few nutters who want to rid the world of all the people who's toe nails are too long, everyone gets on fairly harmoniously.

However, this doesn't stop us getting all protectional about any other cultures coming into the soup, as they might steal our jobs. Strange really, as I've never met anyone who's owned a job, only people who get paid for doing them.

This evening, I wandered over to a debate on "Capitalism vs Socialism". The Capitalism side was given by someone from the Adam Smith institute with the SPGB arguing for Socialism, so it was more "this capitalist system is pants, what's the more ideal theoretical alternative free markets or common ownership". One of the arguments came down to which would be more efficient at providing aid to the third world.

Certainly one of the major problems of the world inequality of wealth, especially between nations. While it's nice that everyone has been enthusiastic about sending aid to Haiti recently, there's always suffering and those worse off than us even when it's not hitting the news headlines.

However much we try to do things like growing crops in the desert, we are always going to be in a situation where some places have more abundant supplies of certain resources than others. If I'm hungry in a room with a buffet at the other end, it's going to be far more effective for me to go over to the buffet to get food rather than for others to bring it to me.

Come winter when food becomes short, birds don't lay down in their nests and have aid flown in from their friends on the continent to help them survive. Instead many of them fly south to where the food is, but then they don't have to worry about passports, visas and immigration controls.

It's good to provide aid to these places, but if you truly want to give them equal access to the resources we have, the only way to do this is to give them the access to come and get them. Then the fundamental issue of a system based on competition such as capitalism, whether or not you have free markets, is that competition isn't about being equal anyway. Who plays games aiming for a draw?

Is capitalist competition necessary to drive our development though? I'm not convinced. OK, you get product innovation from companies trying to get one step ahead of their competition, but you've also got things like free software. OK, some of these have more than a little capitalist input, but you've also got the millions of little applications written by people tapping away at their computers in their free time in the middle of the night (who know why they do it, but they seem perfectly happy). Many of these may be pretty much dead, only going ping if your really lucky and poke them enough, but in amongst these you get Goliath programs that can sort your entire life out, whilst creating world peace and making the tea.

Even if you put the equality issues to one side, you still face the fact that, if you drive the production-consumption flow from the production end, then you will end up with people consuming far more than they actually need and place a greater burden on the world's resources. If you buy the top of the range mobile phone one week, there is really no need to upgrade to the next model the following week just because it's got an extra pixel in the bottom right hand corner, but the producer will try to convince you otherwise as it's in their best interest to do so.

I still remain unconvinced that the world's problems are solvable within a capitalist system as it seems to push us in the entirely wrong direction no matter how you tweak it.
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Yesterday I wondered over to a talk by the SPGB on "Marx, Myth and Money". I discovered there existence when looking at which parties were standing locally during the European election and having found their manifesto broadly agreed with many of my views on society I've been curious to go along to one of their meetings.

So I wondered over to Clapham High Street to discover in amongst all the modern trendy bars and fashionable restaurants, this:


The Socialist Party
Originally uploaded by sarflondondunc



You go inside and it's like an old fashioned village hall, with bookcases and magazine racks around the walls, a metal tea urn at the back and those really uncomfortable metal chairs.

The talk itself was quite interesting, although it was obviously focused on addressing the socialist viewpoint (but that's what political parties are about really so it's fair enough). Not having read Kapital, let alone any of the other work of Marx or Engels (something I must rectify), I'm not really able to say how valid some of the points she made were, but that does help back up her point that most people's understanding of Marx's views are from comments of summaries of summaries rather than directly from the source (but I suppose that's true of quite a lot of ideas).

This then begs the question, that given that Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskism, Maoism, etc all use some of Marx's principles to justify their own ends and to the world as a whole, the whole lot are generally just synonyms of communism, how much of those ideas have creeped into what people view as Marxism? When you look at the results of these ideas in Russia and China, it's no wonder it all has a bad name really, but were these states really socialist?

To have a "communist" dictatorship (or any dictatorship for that matter), you need a ruling elite (be it one monarch figure or a whole government), which therefore means you have a class divide which as far as I can tell is one of the main things Marx was arguing against.

I've seen many sources stating that Marx's conditions for the founding of socialism were not present in pre-revolution Russia, meaning Lenin had to adapt the idea of a socialist revolution to the Russian environment. The question then has to be asked was Marx wrong about his conditions or did Lenin's adaptations change the underlying philosophy substantially? And if it's the latter how valid are the criticisms of Marx's ideas that are based on what resulted in the former USSR?

June Talks

May. 31st, 2009 04:09 pm
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Dana Centre plans for this month:

9 June - Move Me On - Curious idea getting a scientist and choreographer to work together. I'm fascinated to know what the result is and what they say about the reasoning behind it.
11 June - Season of Life - Seasons certainly seem to effect our general feelings,etc, but other than the obvious I don't know a lot about this.
17 June - Dinner@Dana: Deciphering the Cosmic Number - Must admit I don't find 137 anything special, but fascinated to find out why Pauli and Jung thought differently
18 June - Economy and Me - I'm not convinced capitalism is a good thing (but am failing to see what viable alternatives there are given the number of other systems which have been tried and failed).
30 June - Carole Dane is Sexually Selected - The science of sexual attraction seems an excellent subject for comedy.

If anyone fancies joining me at any of these, they are free, you just need to email tickets@danacentre.org.uk to book a place.

Also, there's this one a Gresham college, which I'll probably aim to go to:

22 June - London's Lost Rivers: The Hackney Brook and other North West Passages - I've posted about the lost rivers before, so it will be interesting to see what he has to say about them.
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This evening I went to a talk about how the internet and computer games may be affecting how young people thing and the general consensus seemed to be, in spite of all the media hype, there's not enough evidence to come to any firm conclusions.

This has got me thinking about the whole violence and computer games thing. Thinking about it games like Doom (released in 1993) were around when I was a teenager, so saying that these types of games make children more violent is like saying my peers are more violent then previous generations, which I'm not entirely convinced about (especially when you look through the number of horrific things humans have done to each other throughout history).

OK, I never really got into Doom (much preferring to build cities or save lemmings instead), but I knew plenty of people who did and many of them I wouldn't have described as being particularly violent (or at least they kept it well hidden if they were), so I really don't see it.

There have always been toy guns and swords and things anyway, and although playing with them may not be so graphic in its violence the violence is still there when playing with them (not something I'm particularly comfortable with anyway, but children will play, it's an important part of how they learn about society), so are computer games really bringing in anything new.

OK, as computer games have developed the graphics, etc have improved and (I gather, as I don't actually play many computer games) the violence can now be much more realistically gory, but the fact remains that the violence was there back in 1993 and to be honest I can't see strong evidence to suggest that's what causes society's problems.

On the topic of the internet, it clearly does effect how we interact with each other and there have certainly been flame wars resulting from simple misunderstandings of what people have written. Although we try and get away from the fact that our discussions on here don't have the emotional backing that face-to-face conversations have even when we try to compensate using things like smilies, it's still not quite the same, but it's also a new channel of communication allowing children to interact when they otherwise wouldn't do and I think you do learn to accept the lack of emotion and try to accommodate for that when reading other opinions to an extent.

Also on the topic of the internet was the point about whether it makes our reading in general much shallower then it used to be. I would admit that a lot of the time when reading things on the internet I tend to skim them to get the general gist and just read more into them if necessary. I'm not sure how much that has affected my reading of books though, I certainly read them on a deeper level then I read most web-articles, but is it shallower then I used to? I really don't know.
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More interesting talks at the Dana Centre next month.

These were the ones that caught my eye:
  • 5 May - Interior Traces - The more performance based events I've been to have been some of the more interesting ones I've seen, especially when it comes down to a question of morals
  • 6 May - Rewired Teens? - Interesting topic that gets a lot of press coverage given how much society has changed as computers have become more household items, would be interesting to see what they say about how it affects upbringing of teens given how controversial it can be
  • 13 May - Social Surveillance - I'm not overly protective about a lot of my personal data (although I'm admittedly more careful about things like bank details than I am about my address which in turn I'm more protective about then what I had for breakfast for example), but there seem to be plenty of people out there who seem to be ultra-protective about their data, so it begs the question about where the sensible balance lies
  • 26 May - Designer Seeks Scientist - now this just sounds silly...
  • 27 May - Physics of the Impossible - oh look, all the cool things that we're supposed to be able to do soon according to the books, but can't yet
  • 28 May - I Am Nesia - I forget why this one caught my eye


As, always, if anyone fancies joining me at any of these, you just need to email tickets@danacentre.org.uk to book a place.
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So, a little over 2 weeks ago, I went to a talk by Bernard Carr on whether science can accommodate psychic experience.

Taking a standard reductionist view of science that everything can reduce down to physics, although it is often more useful to view things on a larger scale through the other sciences, science becomes primarily focused on matter and how matter interacts. It doesn't really consider the mind/consciousness within this (ok, this is questionable for sciences such as psychology, as it's questionable whether this is entirely about the functioning of the brain or whether an individual consciousness plays a role. Some would even say consciousness is entirely about the functioning of the brain and so this whole train of thought falls apart, but that would be less interesting, so I'll put that thought to one side).

If you want to consider things like psi scientifically, particularly for things like telekinesis, where there is a clear interaction between mind and matter, you need to consider the more general question of whether science can accommodate consciousness, which to me sounds a far more interesting topic to think about.

As a cosmologist, Carr, asked the question about this drive for a theory of everything, where we keep extending the theories to take into account other forces to the point where cosmologists are now considering things like M-theory (and we're now going well beyond my knowledge of physics with things like that). What if this could be extended further to include notions of consciousness? Would it be useful? What would it predict?

I'm fairly skeptical about the whole psi thing, although being able to move bottle tops with my mind would be quite a fun thing to do and if someone claimed it were possible and wanted to show me how I'd certainly be open to giving it a go. However, Carr, came up with the valid point that although a lot of scientists rule out this sort of stuff, some of the results predicted by string theory are equally bizarre and equally unproven and yet far more acceptable.

So, taking that further, this got me thinking (a not entirely new thought) that although scientific models at their core have a proven evidence base to show this is a good model in the scope that we're looking at, when you go beyond that scope and start making predictions outside of this, you start going into the realm of belief. Admittedly, in terms of science you then experiment and prove this belief right or wrong and adapt your model accordingly and this is how we progress.

This then gets me thinking about belief in general (particularly religion, which seems to keep cropping up in conversation lately - probably due to the time of year and the people I've been talking to) and the thought that these are just personal models of reality based on our own experiential evidence and predictions about the nature of reality based on those. In fact, I've heard a lot of very religious people say that these sort of things are beyond our comprehension and religion is just our way of understanding it, which fits this quite well. Then again, I was a mathematician and not a very religious one, so I probably would view it this way.

Whereas much of the scientific models of reality are experimentally verifiable, but only cover a narrow focus of the materialistic stuff, religious models cover everything, but generally appear less easily verifiable (after all, even if there was a god and he were to strike me down with a thunderbolt, I might just put it down to a freak weather occurrence).

So, in a way we already have several models for this sort of stuff, they're just not expressed mathematically. This doesn't mean they can't be. After all, talking to Newton about string theory would probably have confused the socks off him, he didn't have the mathematics for this.

So, whether science can accommodate consciousness, seems to me more of a question of what science is. Is it purely about the materialistic world or can it include theories on other aspects of reality?
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So, a little over a fortnight ago (I'm getting worse at this...), I went to an evening of music inspired by nematodes (small worms) at the Dana Centre.

The Nurrish Lab in the MRC Laboratory for Molecular Cell Biology at UCL are using nematodes to model brain activity, more specifically the affects of serotonin. Unusually, for a science lab, they've had a composer in residence for the past six months, Keith Johnson.

Although the evening did include a brief discussion of the research in the lab, the main focus was Keith's work (just mistyped that as worm, obviously got them on the brain now).

On arrival their was a pianist (Philip Howard) playing Keith's "A book of mutants", which Keith then went on to discuss during the talk. This was inspired by the lab mutating the worms to study what the seratonin affected. In this piece Keith has produced 18 mutations of Prelude No. 1 in C Major from Book 1 of The Well-tempered Clavier by JS Bach. Rather than just being a straightforward variation the mutations involve systematic changes to the music, such as removing repetitions (which obviously became less recognisable as it went on), swapping the notes played by each hand (which was recognisable, but in that "there's something not quite right here" way) or keeping the musical structure, but replacing all the notes with notes from a completely different piece of music (the example played was the Beatles, but I couldn't figure out which Beatles song).

After that there was a performance of 2 of Keith's other works "Porous with travel fever/PMA and serotonin" and "Still ist mein Herz/Aldicarb" and a piece by Paul Whitty, "...I was bored before I even began..." by [rout].

Keith's pieces were based upon combining the final section of "Der Abschied" from Das Lied von der Erde by Mahler and "Hejira" by Joni Mitchell. The combinations were both put together by looking at the data worms activity, so in the first piece for example, the amount of Mahler was governed by serotonin which causes the worms to be still, while the Joni Mitchell is governed by PMA which causes the worms to move more quickly.

Paul's piece was, unconnected with worms, but was based on the sounds from the pick ups on the instruments rather than anything being played by the instruments themselves.

There are some MP3s of Keith's work and a blog discussing it at www.wormusic.org (lj feed of blog: [livejournal.com profile] wormusic)
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There are lots of things I've been meaning to post about, but not getting round to (appear to be running at a 2 week delay at the moment), so in an attempt to catch-up, I'll post about the talk on Tuesday 10th (only 11 days ago!).

It's the first time I've been to any of the talks put on by the Anomalystic Psychology Research Unit at Goldsmiths.

Nick Pope was giving a talk on The Real X Files.

I didn't know a lot about UFO sightings, other than the obvious Roswell hype that hits the media, so it was interesting to hear some of the background behind Rendlesham and Cosforth.

I was somehow, expecting a talk promoting belief in UFOs, so it was quite nice to find it was a lot more balanced then that. Nick generally stuck to the facts, giving details of the witness reports, etc and generally coming to the conclusion that it could be aliens, but we just don't know.

He also gave several examples of sightings which turn out to have a much more rational explanation, including one phone call where the person calling was adamant that there was diamond shaped alien craft hovering over Regents park with everyone watching it coming into land until it did land and the owner put his kite back in it's box.

It was also interesting to hear his view on the media coverage of these events, for example, the fact that there was a lot of media coverage earlier this year of the wind turbine incident in Lincolnshire. There was, however, less coverage of the manufacturer's report on the incident which, although it didn't come to a firm conclusion about what happened to the turbine, did rule out any craft crashing into it.

After the talk, a few of us went down to the Hobgoblin to chat further and I ended up in a Thai restaurant with Nick, Chris French and a couple of others, chatting about all sorts of random things from UFOs to mediums.

In general, I think I'm still fairly skeptical about visitations by aliens. There's nothing really convincing to say that they have been, but equally the alternative explanations for events such as Rendlesham sound equally unlikely. I guess these will just remain unexplained, but it's still fun to speculate.
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Rosie, pointed me the direction of some more interesting talks, this time at Goldsmiths' Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit, which I think I'll probably aim to go along to:



Looks like you can just turn up to these without booking in advanced.

Also, have just booked a ticket to see Traces, which looks amazing.
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On Thursday, I made another trip to the Dana Centre for a talk on Emotional Contagion.

The talk focused on The Chameleon Project, a project to produce a video art installation driven by the emotions of the audience.

The current stage of the project analyses the emotions of one member of the audience by following a set of points on that persons face to judge that persons emotional state ("mind reading technology" as they seem to like to call it). Based on the judgement of that persons emotional state the computer will choose an appropriate video response (single channel).

This is prototype 5 of 10. The final prototype they are aiming for multi-channel video of several different faces responding to the emotional states of the audience and is due to be completed in January 2010.

Will have to keep an eye on this to see the finished work.
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So, on Wednesday evening I popped over to the Dana Centre for a talk on The War of the Sexes.

Bit of an unrepresentative title as the most of the research discussed was to do with inter-gender differences rather than cross-gender ones.

In short the findings of the research covered suggested:

- Men are generally better at whole arm movements then fine hand and finger movements and can generally work better with objects in far-sight.
- Women are generally better at fine hand and finger movements then whole arm movements and can generally work better with objects in near-sight.

It was speculated this was due to originally being hunter-gathers. The male hunters would need whole arm movements to use tools for hunting and defending and would generally be looking at distant objects. The female gathers would generally be using fine finger movements to pick, gather and care for the young and would generally be looking at objects close by.

There was no discussion as to how the ranges over-lapped for men and women though.

- People colour preferences can be measured as a combination of a red-green and blue-yellow scale. Women generally have a preference for the red end of the red-green scale, but the same is not true for men.

This apparently showed up in cultures where there wasn't such a strong social connection between pink and girls. Although, it was speculated that this explained the pink for girls, blue for boys thing, there didn't seem to be any strong preference for blue in boys, but then thinking about our culture the blue for boys thing doesn't seem as strong a cultural norm as the pink for girls.

It was once again speculated that this was down to our hunter-gather origins and the need for gathers to pick out red (e.g. berries) from green (e.g. leaves).

- If you put a child in a circle of toys they tend to play more with the ones stereotypical for their gender.

It was clear how much cultural expected impacted on this though. However, it was apparently also true to an extent for monkeys with female monkeys tending to play more will dolls and male ones more with cars. Obvious maternal instinct was speculated as the reason for the dolls. Apparently they had a habit of turning them upside down to find out what sex they were.


All in all it was an interesting talk, but wasn't quite what it was advertised to be. I got the impression there were a lot of people there who were expecting to be able to discuss how much gender difference should influence roles in society, which this didn't even touch upon.

There certainly didn't seem much here to argue for the traditional partitioning of roles between the genders, especially when most modern roles require less manual labour and are more service based.
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So, last month I posted the talks I was planning to go to. In the end I never made it to the Science Museum one last week as I had to work on coursework instead and I failed to notice the talk on The Two Cultures was a daytime one rather than evening, so didn't make that one either.

Looking at this month's offering, these are the talks I'm planning on attending:


  • Sinful Science - 3 Feb 2009 - This should be a good one considering the morals of science when it's used for less moral applications

  • War of the Sexes - 4 Feb 2009 - This gets a lot of attention nowadays as we strive for sexual equality. A lot of people do argue that men and women are different, so it'll be interesting to see how much they think these differences needs to be taken into consideration in male and female roles and how much the division of roles is just antiquated tradition.

  • Emotional Contagion - 5 Feb 2009 - I love the way it's difficult to be sad around happy people even if the opposite is less good. Never really considered how we are influenced by the emotions of others before though.

  • Feel the Flavour - 11 Feb 2009 - I have an obvious interest in taste given what I do for a living, so this will be fascinating.

  • Veggie Might - 17 Feb 2009 - Who am I to argue if they want to tell me I'm saving the planet?

  • Science Museum Lates - 25 Feb 2009 - As I didn't make it last week, I'll make up for it this month instead (no prebooking required for this one apparently)



Very weighted towards next week, but should be an interesting selection.

Again, if anyone fancies joining me, tickets are free and you just need to email tickets@danacentre.org.uk to arrange a place.
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This evening I wondered over to the Dana Centre for a talk on DNA Testing. The discussion was focus on the services of companies like 23andMe who will analyse your DNA and give you details of illnesses you are genetically more/less prone to.

It was interesting, even if the debate was a little one-sided. They had one speaker from a company offering these services, but they were on video link from California, so only gave a brief presentation followed by questions and answers and weren't involved in the rest of the discussions.

There was a random man in the audience who tried to claim that genetics wasn't science, which was unusual, but he seemed to be the only one with that view.

In short, I didn't really have any desire to have my DNA tested, other than pure curiosity, before this evening and as there wasn't really a strong argument to suggest I might these views haven't changed.
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A few years ago, I used to regularly go to Science talks at the Dana Centre. Although, I went to a few things last year, it's only recently I've started going back.

Seeing as I seem to have a bit more free time in the evenings at the moment, I'm intending to go back more next year.

Having looked at the talks coming up next month, I've got a ticket to go to each of the following:


  • 15 January - Job Satisfaction or Dissatisfaction - Although I'm perfectly happy with my job at the moment, I went through a stage of dissatisfaction early last year (to the extent that I found another job elsewhere and handed in my notice), so it will be interesting to see what they say.

  • 20 January - DNA Testing: Science or Swindle - I've never really considered having my DNA tested to discover genetic traits. I'm not sure how useful it would be to do so. I'm curious to find out how people react to finding out those details though.

  • 22 January - Future Foods: Join the GM Debate - I'm not really sure where I stand on the whole GM thing at the moment. I think I'd like to know more before decided which side of the line my views fall. Fairly contentious issue though, so should make an interesting talk.

  • 23 January - The Two Cultures: Art and Science Today - I think this is the most curious of the month's offerings. There are certainly many cultural divides in society, I'm not sure how much the art/science thing contributes to this though.

  • 28 January - Science Museum Lates - I've always liked wondering around the Science Museum, so I'm going to take this as an excuse to do so.



If anyone fancies joining me, tickets are free and you just need to email tickets@danacentre.org.uk to arrange a place.
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Having not been for a while, [livejournal.com profile] thethirdvoice and I went to the Dana Centre twice this month. The first time we saw a stand up comic talking about man's journeys into space.

On Tuesday we went back for a talk on gadgets. A bit of a big subject really and as such the talk ended up a bit woolly, especially as one of the speaker's spent the whole time promoting his book every other sentance.

There ended up being an interesting discussion on environmental issues, as the speaker who had come to focus on this part was a bit more vocal in her views than any of the others. However, she didn't really get her points across very well.

All in all, it was an interesting evening, but I don't think I learned any thing new.

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